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 | Shebang: 
        Let's talk initially, please, about two of your big scientific achievements. 
        
 Djerassi: 
        Sure. Shebang: To begin with, the achievement that is 
        always mentioned in connection with you is the first synthesis of the 
        steroid oral contraceptive.
 Djerassi: Yes. Well, we're now talking about work that was done 
        49 years ago. This was the early fifties. And I am now just about the 
        only survivor. The only reason for it is because I was very young, 26 
        or 27 years old when this went on, whereas most of the people - others 
        who were working in the field - were the usual middle-aged people, and 
        they are now long dead. They would now be over 100 years old. And one 
        has the tendency to romanticize. I mean the general public, too, and people 
        who have interviewed me over the decades. There is always the thought 
        somehow that it was some Eureka affair. You know, you're sitting 
        around and suddenly, Oh My God, this is it! This is the solution to the 
        world's problems of contraception, to the world population problem, the 
        population explosion. It doesn't work like that.
 Shebang: Right.
 Djerassi: First you want to remember that people have a tendency 
        always to have one person who is the 'Father of' - the Father of Penicillin, 
        the Father of the Pill, the Father of the country, the Father of this 
        and that. You really won't create anything by being only the Father. Clearly, 
        to create any thing, any "living" thing, you need a Mother, you need a 
        Father and you need a Midwife. And that metaphor, if you wish, is an accurate 
        description, it's completely relevant to this Pill, because the chemist 
        in my book - not just Carl Djerassi, the chemist - the chemist is invariably 
        the Mother of a medical inventiondrug, an invention that is relevant to 
        medicine. Invariably, because nothing can be done until the chemical entity 
        has been created. In other words, consider it "the egg." And the biologist 
        in my opinion is invariably the Father, with the initial biological experiments 
        being the sperm that float around until one fertilizes the egg.. And the 
        clinician of course is then the Midwife.
 Shebang: The chemist, like Necessity, is the Mother....
 Djerassi: Yes. The chemist is always the mother of the invention, 
        and it could be a male mother. The biologist is always the father and 
        it could be a female father.
 
  
       CARL 
        DJERASSI'S STORY OF THE PILL - AS TOLD TO SHEBANG 
  
       Mexico 
        I am a chemist, I am not a biologist. And in fact it so happened a biologists 
        didn't even work in our lab. It so happened our work was done in Mexico. 
        I went to Mexico City; I was in charge of the chemical research of a small 
        company called Syntex. Mexico was a country in which there was no research 
        being done at that time, and yet this became a real powerhouse of steroid 
        chemical research. Now steroid chemistry was my specialty. That's what 
        I got my degree in, that's what I had worked on for five years in the 
        States.
 Progesterone
 What you now want to remember is that there is a contraceptive in Nature 
        and that is progesterone, one of the natural female sex hormones. Women 
        do not get pregnant during pregnancy. That is the only time when they 
        don't cannot get pregnant. Then They secrete progesterone all the time, 
        and one of the functions of progesterone - it has many others, several 
        others - is the prevention of further additional ovulation because no 
        new eggs are being produced at the time. If no eggs are produced you can't 
        have any babies.
 History
 An Austrian endocrinologist, Ludwig Haberlandt, already recognized this 
        in the 1920's before progesterone was even known as a compound. It had 
        not been isolated yet but one knew that such a substance presumably existed 
        in the corpus nutrium luteum and that it could fulfill that function. 
        He postulated: why not use the corpus nutrium luteum extract as a contraceptivehormonal 
        sterilant. Well that was too early, and it was not really realistic for 
        various reasons, including that it was not orally active. But the idea 
        was there.
 Used for Fertility!
 In the 1930's when progesterone was isolated, the chemical structure established, 
        and it was synthesized, progesterone was then used in medicine, starting 
        in the late 1930's and it still is to this day - for the treatment of 
        menstrual disorders and for the treatment of some conditions of infertility. 
        The other function of progesterone is the maintenance of a the proper 
        environment in the uterus, so that the embryo can implant and then can 
        develop eventually into a foetus and then develop into a baby. So we need 
        progesterone for that as well. There are women who do not produce enough 
        progesterone and they suffer from habitual abortion because they cannot 
        carry a baby to term, and this is when progesterone is given to them to 
        help them through that. So progesterone in the 40s and 50s was used for 
        the treatment of menstrual disorders, irregular menstruation, painful 
        menstruation, excessive bleeding and for the treatment of infertility. 
        It was not active orally; it was given by injection.
 Making it
 We set out as chemists because we were working in the field of steroid 
        chemistry and Syntex, the small company where I worked, was the world's 
        largest producer of progesterone. It produced progesterone by complex 
        chemical steps from a Mexican plant of the Dioscorea genus, [Said to be 
        like a yam] which does not contain progesterone it contains another steroid 
        called diosgenin but through chemical transformations it can be converted 
        into progesterone We as chemists set out to see whether we could convert 
        the steroid diosgenin into other steroids, which do not exist in nature, 
        but which retain the biological activities of progesterone and are also 
        orally active. In other words, our motivation was to develop an orally 
        effective replacement for the then existing uses of progesterone. In addition, 
        one thought at that time, and it was not unreasonable, that progesterone 
        could also be helpful in the treatment of cervical cancer, a very serious 
        form of cancer. So there were plenty of incentives to work on that.
 Success
 And we we succeeded in accomplishing that. And on October 15 ,1951 we 
        finished the synthesis of a chemical compound that has a long chemical 
        name, (17a-ethinyl-19-nortestosterone) but a simpler generic name: norethindrone 
        or in Europe norethisterone. And that is the substance that to this day 
        is one of the active ingredients of the oral contraceptive that is taken 
        by millions of women.
 Other Pills
 And the other oral contraceptives which have been developed since that 
        time have very minor chemical modifications from those of norethindrone, 
        and these minor modifications have been prompted primarily by the desire 
        to circumvent the patent that Syntex had at that time And to establish 
        their own patent position.. Of course that's now expired - patents are 
        only good for 17 years. But from a biological - scientific standpoint 
        you could say that there are six active ingredients even when there are 
        hundreds of different pills but they are all based on the formulation 
        of these 6 active ingredients. A chemist would see that they are extremely 
        close to what we first developed just as the various penicillins now are 
        chemically close to the original penicillin that Fleming had discovered.
  
 
         
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